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Treatment
of Apostates
ME: I’d like to
talk now about the treatment of those members of the church that have fallen
into disagreement with the brethren or have fully apostatized. In the modern
church, such individuals may be excommunicated and shunned, but probably not
much more. But I have read that dissenters were especially unwelcome in early
Utah. Elder Kimball, how do you feel about those who, in your estimation, have
fallen away? Does blood atonement apply to them, as well?
HCK:
If men
turn traitors to God and His servants, their blood will surely be shed, or else
they will be damned, and that too according to their covenants.
ME: So it does apply… Surely there are those that will
loose their faith. Then again, are they not free to? Do you really think it
necessary to kill them or drive them away?
HCK: I have not a doubt but there will be hundreds who will
leave us and go away to our enemies. I wish they would go this fall: it might
relieve us from much trouble…
ME: President Young, do you agree with Elder Kimball?
BY: I say, rather than that apostates should flourish here,
I will unsheath [sic] my bowie knife, and conquer or die…
ME: Before you unsheathe your knife, what message would you
send them? Surely you would warn them first.
BY: Now, you nasty apostates, clear out, or judgment will
be put to the line, and righteousness to the plummet… Let us call upon the
Lord to assist us in this, and every good work.
ME: It seems as though you consider apostasy on par with,
or even worse than murder and adultery. You and the early Saints were driven
from state to state by brutally violent and malicious men. Do you really
consider those that fall out of the faith as no better than a murderous mob?
BY: What will you do with all those who have sought to kill
you? Make them soap-boilers and kitchen flunkeys, we are not going to send them
into hell fire, for it takes a good Latter-day Saint apostatized to get down
that deep (did I say bottomless?) pit. A person, to become an angel of the
Devil, has first to be a good Saint, and then deny the Lord who bought him.
ME: Elder Hyde, how do you see all this? How would you
approach those that have lost their faith?
OH: I would have a tendency to place terror on those who
leave these parts, that may prove their salvation when they see the heads of
thieves taken off, or shot down before the public.... I believe it to be
pleasing in the sight of heaven to sanctify ourselves and put these things away
from our midst.
ME: So I gather you’re not inclined to work with them,
pray for them, or show them compassion. If I understand President Young and
Elder Kimball correctly, it’s simply ‘kill them or drive them out.’
ME: Elder Ballard, Elder Theodore M. Burton said the
following: “When a person is disciplined, he should not be thrust out and
abandoned by his associates. It is exactly at that time that we need to show
increased love for such people, to teach and show them the way back to God.”
Do you agree with this sentiment, or do you share President Young’s position?
MRB: Both the Lord and his church stand ready with open
arms to welcome back all who stray…
ME: So you’re for mercy, then… We’ve heard President
Young’s message to apostates, what would you
say to them?
MRB: To you who
have not yet returned, who may still be struggling with the hurt and
haven’t yet felt the healing: please allow yourself to feel the love that the
Lord, his presiding authorities, and your friends in the Church feel for you. We
are aware of your pain, and we pray for your healing and your return. The First
Presidency has extended this special invitation:
“We are aware of some who are inactive, of others who have become critical and
are prone to find fault, and of those who have been disfellowshipped or
excommunicated because of serious transgressions…To all such we reach out in
love. We are anxious to forgive. … We encourage Church members
to forgive those who may have wronged them. To those who have ceased activity
and to those who have become critical, we say, ‘Come back. Come back and feast
at the table of the Lord, and taste again the sweet and satisfying fruits of
fellowship with the Saints…
ME: President Hinckley, do you have any insight you might
share with us?
GBH: We live in a
world where there is so much of harshness. We live in a world filled with
hostility and meanness… I am convinced that there comes a time, possibly many
times, within our lives when we might cry out for mercy on the part of others.
How can we expect it unless we have been merciful ourselves?... I plead for a
stronger spirit of compassion in all of our relationships, a stronger element of
mercy, for the promise is sure that if we are merciful we shall obtain
mercy…Let us be more merciful… Let us be more compassionate, gentler, filled
with forbearance and patience and a greater measure of respect one for
another…
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